Canada A v Argentina XV - APC 2017

October 07 2017

Kyle Gilmour

Argentina XV 71 - Canada A 17: Peacekeeping Mission a Success; Rugby Game a Disaster

Canada looked like they sent a peacekeeping force to Uruguay instead of a rugby team. Polite is fine, Canadians are well known for it but things like waiting for an opposing forward to politely vacate the area before securing a ruck is just pushing it too far. Forwards leisurely strolling between rucks, enjoying the sunshine, what better way to see South America? Tackling, who needs to do that and ruin a Saturday afternoon? There was a definite lack of intensity, urgency and technique in the Canadian men's XVs game today, the result was a 71-17 shellacking at the hands of an Argentina XV side.

The comments on the Rugby Canada facebook post is probably the most entertainment you'll get out of this match if you're a Canadian rugby fan.

Analyzing the first score 2 minutes in is probably the most instructive for understanding the result. The scenario was repeated numerous times throughout the match. After a couple of phases you freeze the frame and see how many players are back in a position to attack. There's one person behind the ball carrier at this point, many are just walking to get back in position. Then the turnover, the support players are very slow in responding, almost waiting for the lumbering Argentine forward to vacate the area before attending to the ruck, by that time the jackal is complete. Then a missed tackle, no cross cover, nobody wants to sprint in defence and harsh their mellow it seems. Repeat that scenario frequently and 71 points scored against you comes rather quickly.

Even Rugby Canada were at a loss for words as their website just announced the score with a "story to follow" over 8 hours after the match.

It was 33-0 with 35 minutes gone, Canada then scored a try by Andrew Ferguson off a quick tap penalty, Argentina responded and the halftime score was 38-5. The match as a contest was essentially over. Argentina were up 50-5 at 50 minutes and started substituting liberally. Canada also made changes Dustin Dobravsky came in for Travis Larsen at #8, the entire front row changed, Povey was on at #10. Canada scored their first try off of open play at 56 minutes with Povey and Johnson having an impact and Conor Keys crossing the line, 57-10. Du Toit scored next at 67 minutes and Canada had a golden 10 minutes of play, 57-17, but it wouldn't last. Argentina finessed and bullied their way in for two more tries for a final 71-17.




- Canada need a bigger and meaner second row, when your second row meets their hooker in a one on one impact inside their 22 and your second row gets bounced back and their hooker then jackals the ball, that's not right.
- We need refereeing at the age-grade level that's consistent with international standards, I've seen our top refs call breakdown, "not supporting weight" or "hands on the ground" consistently which was allowed all game here. World Rugby are using these refs, they're not using Canadian refs who have a restrictive interpetation at the breakdown. It's impeding the development of age-grade players who learn early not to jackal the ball otherwise you'll hurt your team with a penalty.
- Canada need to open the competition for loose forwards, we're going to need better or motivate the existing players to become better in order to get by Uruguay. We need faster, more mobile and more aggression.
- Not a lot of positives for Canada, Andrew Ferguson at scrum half wasn't too bad, Povey did better than Parfrey when he came on and is a good bet to start the second match. The scrum held their own.

Americas Pacific Challenge Kicks Off Tomorrow: Canada Name Team to Face Argentina

Another tournament for Canada A starts Saturday against the pre-tournament favourites, Argentina. Last year Argentina won the match 56-29 and went 3-0 in the tournament. Canada were at the bottom of the standings with zero wins.

Comparing the team to last year the front row is somewhat similar with Brouwer and Kotlewski starting last year, this year they're on the bench. Buydens and Keith get the start along with Martial Lagain from Quebec. Last year Lagain was on the bench, Barkwill doesn't make the game day 23 this time, Eric Howard is the reserve hooker. Not playing this year are Houlihan from Alberta and Ackerman from Burnaby.

Second row sees the exact same starters, Keys and Wadden. Liam Chisolm provides second row cover. Two of the loose forwards are new with Baillie and Heaton in the UK, Larsen and Gilmour come in. Lucas Rumball retains his spot from last year.

Gordon McRorie is gone as scrum half and Andrew Ferguson gets the start, Pat Parfrey returns as #10. Guiseppe du Toit retains his centre position but pairs with Mike Nieuwenhuysen instead of Ben Lesage. The back three of Johnson, Desmond and McMullan replaces Moor, Lloyd and McDonell.

Off the bench Dobravsky, Sandover-Best, Lloyd, and Povey look to impact the match.

Kickoff is at 10am PT with live stream at

Argentina XV
1 Felipe Arregui, 2 Gaspar Baldunciel, 3 Santiago Medrano, 4 Franco Molina, 5 Juan Cruz Guillemaín, 6 Mariano Romanini, 7 Lautaro Bavaro (C), 8 Santiago Portillo, 9 Sebastián Cancelliere, 10 Juan Cruz González, 11 Franco Cuaranta, 12 Santiago Mare, 13 Juan Cruz Mallía, 14 Germán Schulz, 15 Bautista Delguy, 16 Axel Zapata, 17 Franco Brarda, 18 Benjamín Espinal, 19 Ignacio Larrague, 20 Rodrigo Bruni, 21 Nicolás Cantarutti, 22 Juan Cappiello, 23 Rodrigo Etchart

from Rugby Canada

MONTEVIDEO, URUGUAY – Canada ‘A’ head coach Mike Shelley has announced his starting team to open the 2017 Americas Pacific Challenge against Argentina XV on Saturday at Estadio Charrua.

“We arrived Tuesday at two in the morning after leaving Canada on Sunday and have managed to get in two training sessions each day along with weights to get our feet in Montevideo. We have a short preparation time and we’re focusing on being able to perform on Saturday and I know the players are excited to hit the field,” said Shelley from Montevideo.

Last year Canada opened the APC with a 56-29 loss to the Argentines, with five returnees – Adrian Wadden, Conor Keys, Pat Parfrey, Lucas Rumball and Guiseppe du Toit – in the starting roster for this weekend’s contest.

“We’ve put together a game plan that suits the team that we have, changed up quite a bit, and the players and staff are happy. Argentina, whether it’s the Pumas, Jaguars or XV side, are known for playing a wide, expansive brand of rugby with a lot of decoy runners and offloads and we’re going to have to be ready for that,” added Shelley.

In its second year, the Americas Pacific Challenge (APC) is a key development tournament for up-and-coming players looking to gain international experience before test match windows.

Canada’s Senior Men’s Team returns to action on November 3rd at BC Place against the NZ Maori All Blacks at BC Place, before heading to Europe for their annual international series. In Europe Canada will face Georgia (Tbilisi), Spain (Madrid) and Fiji (Montpellier) on the 11th, 18th and 25th.

All APC games to be streamed live, with details still to be provided ASAP by World Rugby.

Canada ‘A’ Roster to face Argentina XV:

1. Hubert Buydens – (New Orleans Gold/Prairie Wolf Pack) Saskatoon, SK
2. Martial Lagain – (Sherbrooke Abenakis/Atlantic Rock) Saint-Jean-de-Marsacq, France
3. Cole Keith – (Bellesile Rovers/Atlantic Rock) Sussex, NB
4. Adrian Wadden – (Leeds Beckett University/Ontario Blues) Mississauga, ON
5. Conor Keys – (UVIC Vikes/Atlantic Rock) Stittsville, ON
6. Kyle Gilmour – Captain (St. Albert RFC/Prairie Wolf Pack) St. Albert, AB
7. Lucas Rumball – (Balmy Beach RFC/Ontario Blues) Mississauga, ON
8. Travis Larsen – (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC
9. Andrew Ferguson – (Oakville Crusaders/Ontario Blues) Mississauga, ON
10. Patrick Parfrey – (Swilers RFC/Atlantic Rock) St. John’s, NL
11. Brett Johnson – (Truro Saints/Atlantic Rock) Truro, NS
12. Guiseppe du Toit – (UVIC Vikes/BC Bears) Maple Ridge, BC
13. Mike Nieuwenhuysen – (Brampton Beavers RFC/BC Bears) Brampton, ON
14. Conor Desmond – (Calgary Irish/Prairie Wolf Pack) Rideau Ferry, ON
15. Aidan McMullan – (St. Anne-de-Bellevue RFC/Atlantic Rock) Montreal, QC
16. Eric Howard – (Brantford Harlequins/Ontario Blues) Ottawa, ON
17. Rob Brouwer – (Lindsay RFC/Ontario Blues) Lindsay, ON
18. Ryan Kotlewski – (Westshore RFC/Prairie Wolf Pack) Calgary, AB
19. Liam Chisholm – (Castaway Wanderers/BC Bears) Kenora, ON
20. Dustin Dobravsky – (Castaway Wanderers/BC Bears) Hanover, Germany
21. Jorden Sandover-Best – (UBC Old Boys Ravens/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC
22. Robbie Povey – (Castaway Wanderers/Prairie Wolf Pack) Northampton, UK
23. Kainoa Lloyd – (Mississauga Blues/Ontario Blues) Mississauga, ON

Non-dressing subs:

Ray Barkwill – (Unattached/Ontario Blues) Niagara Falls, ON
Karsten Leitner – (UBC Old Boys Ravens/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC
Peter Milazzo – (Toronto Saracens/Ontario Blues) Toronto, ON
Liam Murray – (Langley Rugby Club/BC Bears) Langley, BC
Mitchell Richardson – (Stoney Creek RFC/Ontario Blues) Stoney Creek, ON

Canada A Staff:

Mike Shelley – Head Coach
Francois Ratier – Assistant Coach
Chris Silverthorn – Assistant Coach
Aaron Takel – Performance Analyst
Mallory White – Physiotherapist
Jalin Couper – Athletic Therapist
Caroline Aiken – Team Doctor
Mike Deasy – Strength and Conditioning Coach
Alana Gattinger – Manager

Americas Pacific Challenge Schedule:

October 7th at 2pm local (1pm ET/10am PT)
Montevideo, Uruguay – Estadio Charrua
Canada A vs. Argentina XV

October 11th at 11:30am local (10:30am ET/7:30am PT)
Montevideo, Uruguay – Estadio Charrua
Canada A vs. Tonga A

October 15th at 2pm local (1pm ET/10am PT)
Montevideo, Uruguay – Estadio Charrua
Canada A vs. USA Selects

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